Woo reaction spoilers etc
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maccadoleSpontaneous reactions:
PETER WINGFIELD!!!
Sanctuary's back, yay!
PETER WINGFIELD!!
Ever since the trailers I've been worried about the cast, by the way. Lastly with the, uh, opening picture. Hey, I didn't love Kate at first. I could stand her. Then I liked her, and then I loved her. Or... REALLY liked her, at least. And great, gee, thanks, as soon as you start liking someone they're basically gone. Or literally gone. Sigh, TV choices.
Also John. Biggie instead of John? Really? Well, okay.
I hope this doesn't mean anything.
Anyway, I should watch the episode.
JAMES!!!
"You've taken a terrible tumble." James, you are adorable. Era, you are adorable!
I like Helen's room, with the bed out from the corner. I'd do that if I had enough space. Fireplace, too. To die for.
JEALOUSY FOR WHOM! Helen says to John re: hanging out with James. Oh dear!
Darling, hello! Jaaaames and Heleeeennn. I love it.
The hell. So what's up with random turok-han creature? Because John killed the women. Did the abnormal kill them in this timeline? Was anything changed in the end? Did that change? Did they both kill people but it was unrelated? Is John innocent? Excuse me... I'm slow, and confused, and I have a massive headache.
Also living that many years alone and then rejoining "our" timeline? Won't that be beyond strange? In our present time, she'll have been gone for a second, or not at all, but to her extremely many years will have passed. She must feel so detached by the time it's, well, time to join again.
Overall reaction:
Well, I liked seeing the past through the Helen we know and love. Mad appreciation for Past Helen, too, but I like her better when she's modern and fierce (and brunette).
Time travel is always confusing, but equally entertaining most of the... time. Yeah, that word keeps cropping up. It was cool enough to have Helen hide from Helen. Psych! In a way.
Nice to have more a point/ending to the Adam Worth thing. It felt sort of moot earlier. I didn't really understand what he was doing then, and then he sort of just disappeared.
But now that's settled. Poor man, losing his daughter.
The episode wasn't bad, but it wasn't good either. Well, no, it was good. It just wasn't fantastic.
Dunno. Need to go take care of my headache. More later if I think of anything.
Cheers!
ETA:
Well. If one's smart... the dates don't match up and it's all blah blah ten years, or whatever. So John did the original murders, and now James is suspecting other murders to be John's work. Helen knows it's not, and helps the situation by talking to Jack blah blah. And all is well.
I've also come to the conclusion that I do like this episode. I'm very fond of experiencing the past with our Helen, and not via flashback.
At the end of last season I was moping around, because the show had stayed so far from what I originally loved. We had several neutral episodes, and some flat out dumb ones, and then simply boring ones. Lots of Will and Abby and Helen and Will. And Helen and Will. And also Will. And then some more Will.
Honestly, I don't like Will that much. I 'whatever' him. I suppose that's sad, and I'm sorry. It's not that I hate him, he's just... boring? Personal opinion!
I loved the Magnus family! John and Helen and Ashley. Their story. Which is part why I like this episode, I realized, because it was a callback to their relationship and it made me think of how scared season one Helen was of John [returning]. It makes perfect sense for her to fear him after the scene we witnessed. He threatened her severely. That was traumatic. Look at her face!
I can understand how it must've felt good to kick his ass after listening in on that conversation and knowing the things she knows, and feeling the way she does. Because she clearly enjoyed beating him up, or does anyone disagree?
They're so dysfunctional, those two. Nor a normal relationship, that.
Although I liked this episode and am excited to have the show back I'm still worried about this season. This was good, but how will they deal with the rest? I don't really care at all about Praxis or Hollow Earth abnormals coming out of hiding or whatever. And I finally fell in love with Kate, and she was already underused, and now she'll be reduced even more? That's just unlucky.
PETER WINGFIELD!!!
Sanctuary's back, yay!
PETER WINGFIELD!!
Ever since the trailers I've been worried about the cast, by the way. Lastly with the, uh, opening picture. Hey, I didn't love Kate at first. I could stand her. Then I liked her, and then I loved her. Or... REALLY liked her, at least. And great, gee, thanks, as soon as you start liking someone they're basically gone. Or literally gone. Sigh, TV choices.
Also John. Biggie instead of John? Really? Well, okay.
I hope this doesn't mean anything.
Anyway, I should watch the episode.
JAMES!!!
"You've taken a terrible tumble." James, you are adorable. Era, you are adorable!
I like Helen's room, with the bed out from the corner. I'd do that if I had enough space. Fireplace, too. To die for.
JEALOUSY FOR WHOM! Helen says to John re: hanging out with James. Oh dear!
Darling, hello! Jaaaames and Heleeeennn. I love it.
The hell. So what's up with random turok-han creature? Because John killed the women. Did the abnormal kill them in this timeline? Was anything changed in the end? Did that change? Did they both kill people but it was unrelated? Is John innocent? Excuse me... I'm slow, and confused, and I have a massive headache.
Also living that many years alone and then rejoining "our" timeline? Won't that be beyond strange? In our present time, she'll have been gone for a second, or not at all, but to her extremely many years will have passed. She must feel so detached by the time it's, well, time to join again.
Overall reaction:
Well, I liked seeing the past through the Helen we know and love. Mad appreciation for Past Helen, too, but I like her better when she's modern and fierce (and brunette).
Time travel is always confusing, but equally entertaining most of the... time. Yeah, that word keeps cropping up. It was cool enough to have Helen hide from Helen. Psych! In a way.
Nice to have more a point/ending to the Adam Worth thing. It felt sort of moot earlier. I didn't really understand what he was doing then, and then he sort of just disappeared.
But now that's settled. Poor man, losing his daughter.
The episode wasn't bad, but it wasn't good either. Well, no, it was good. It just wasn't fantastic.
Dunno. Need to go take care of my headache. More later if I think of anything.
Cheers!
ETA:
Well. If one's smart... the dates don't match up and it's all blah blah ten years, or whatever. So John did the original murders, and now James is suspecting other murders to be John's work. Helen knows it's not, and helps the situation by talking to Jack blah blah. And all is well.
I've also come to the conclusion that I do like this episode. I'm very fond of experiencing the past with our Helen, and not via flashback.
At the end of last season I was moping around, because the show had stayed so far from what I originally loved. We had several neutral episodes, and some flat out dumb ones, and then simply boring ones. Lots of Will and Abby and Helen and Will. And Helen and Will. And also Will. And then some more Will.
Honestly, I don't like Will that much. I 'whatever' him. I suppose that's sad, and I'm sorry. It's not that I hate him, he's just... boring? Personal opinion!
I loved the Magnus family! John and Helen and Ashley. Their story. Which is part why I like this episode, I realized, because it was a callback to their relationship and it made me think of how scared season one Helen was of John [returning]. It makes perfect sense for her to fear him after the scene we witnessed. He threatened her severely. That was traumatic. Look at her face!
I can understand how it must've felt good to kick his ass after listening in on that conversation and knowing the things she knows, and feeling the way she does. Because she clearly enjoyed beating him up, or does anyone disagree?
They're so dysfunctional, those two. Nor a normal relationship, that.
Although I liked this episode and am excited to have the show back I'm still worried about this season. This was good, but how will they deal with the rest? I don't really care at all about Praxis or Hollow Earth abnormals coming out of hiding or whatever. And I finally fell in love with Kate, and she was already underused, and now she'll be reduced even more? That's just unlucky.
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Date: 2011-10-09 04:27 pm (UTC)I'm way too much of a Helen/John (anytime) or Helen/Tesla (current time) shipper. As much as I love James, I just do not like Helen/James at all. But that's me.
Overall I thought the episode was good. And it ended the way Helen wanted it to. Imogen (sp) dead, Adam going crazy any way so that any changes that did occur, were hopefully small and insignificant to the rest of it.
The only issue I have with messing with time is it's all basically a big loop. If Helen goes back, she'll go back again, and again and again every time that point in time arrives. And of course, looking at it that way, there's no way for time to move beyond that point unless she makes the conscious decision NOT to go back. In which case, if Adam still goes back, time will move forward for Helen, or not, depending on what Adam does in the past. To quote Janeway from Voyager: "The future is the past, the past is the future. It all gives me a headache."
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Date: 2011-10-09 10:46 pm (UTC)I still don't know any details, though, and I spontaneously think they should've fought to keep her focused on Sanctuary. But I'm selfish. I want more Kate!
But if she wanted/needed to go do other things as well, I get that. I need to get over myself. I'm just cranky because I finally started liking her, and then we get even less of her. It has little to do with whatever reason it is.
I definitely think the episode was good! I didn't OH MY GOD love it like mad, but that doesn't mean it was bad. I especially realized that it was a good episode after I thought back on some of the really bad episodes we've had. Well, not even necessarily BAD. But boring?
But the thing with the two Helens and a loop I don't quite understand. Because, see, there shouldn't be a loop.
Say present Helen is Our Helen, and the past one is Victorian Helen.
Our Helen WAS Victorian Helen. Now she is our 2010/2011/whenever we are by now-Helen.
She goes back in time after Adam, sees her Victorian self run around, and she hides. Victorian Helen never knew her future self was there.
Our Helen then supposedly lives 100+ years, waiting for 2011 to come, while - simultaneously - Victorian Helen is living her life as well.
So there are two Helens at the same time for only a little while. But Victorian Helen then grows up and becomes the 2011 one that eventually goes back in time, and the minute she does that there is only one Helen - Our 100+ Helen - and she can pop in and go "Tadaa I just jumped into a Time Hole but now I am standing here!"
SHE doesn't need to go in the time hole thing, because the other Helen is already doing so. By now 100+ Helen is watching Our (original) Helen disappear after Adam, because that's 100+ Helen's past, and then from 2011 she can continue living normally.
...
I probably confused everybody with that.
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Date: 2011-10-09 10:51 pm (UTC)Edited to add: Sanctuary's filming schedule seems a bit out of whack. Possible Agam had already signed for different project and OH! Sanctuary time. I guess all we can hope is she has some good episodes this season, and is back as a regular next season. While I wasn't overly fond of her in the beginning, I'd rather have more of her and less of Will. ...much. less. of. Will...
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Date: 2011-10-09 11:35 pm (UTC)So if Victorian Helen lives until the Time Hole Thing then being the Helen we knows and love ("Our" Helen, how confusing), and is then somehow stopped going back in time... by 100+ Helen... (How many years was it anyway? 113?) who then goes back... in time... again.
But.
Wouldn't it be hard to do everything exactly the same, and... but. Wait.
Doesn't that change things? Because if 100+ Helen goes back... she is a different person then than she was the first time she goes back. Doesn't that alter things? She'd act differently and have different reactions, and I don't know. Plus she'd have to live another 100+ years alone again... but wait, then she can't, because the other Helen never went back in time... so she'd always...
So then there'd always be two Helens! Unless that Helen went back in time twice and then killed herself.
That is... Quite dramatic. But I like it.
But it's very sad.
And confusing.
But yes! I think. I think I get what you mean. OH JESUS LOL!
Yeah! Oh, please, yes. I'd rather have more of most anyone rather than Will. I'm so sick of him. I don't exactly hate him. Not the character as such, no. But I do dislike him every now and then, and I'm generally TIRED of him being everywhere ALWAYS. Can we please reduce HIS time instead? Ugh. He is so BORING! I feel nothing towards him. I don't hate him, but I don't love him either. It's a mix between maybe liking him/finding him boring/not caring either effin' way.
But anyway, Kate was the point of that section. And yeah, I hope she'll return full time later on. I don't know if I can take her being written off and having a third woman in four season enter the show. If they keep this up they'll basically average a chick a season.
Replacing cast is necessary at times, yeah, but come onnn!